Is it true that 99 miata has only 138 HP if a miata is sold in NJ?
Why?
19
Apr
why 99 miata has only 138 hp in NJ?
Is it true that 99 miata has only 138 HP if a miata is sold in NJ?
Why?
>>Is it true that 99 miata has only 138 HP if a miata is sold in NJ?
>Why?
Is it possible that New Jersey is using the California emission standards, and
this small difference is due to that?
Do Californian ’99 owners have anything to add? Correction?
—
"Akira"
’96 Chaste A/T http://www.eunos.com/keith/stripes/akira.html
"Open the door. Open the top. Open the mind."
—from ’99 Roadster sales brochure (Japan)
AkiraRdstr wrote:
> >>Is it true that 99 miata has only 138 HP if a miata is sold in NJ?
> >Why?
> Is it possible that New Jersey is using the California emission standards, and
> this small difference is due to that?
Yes,it has the Ca. emission equipment. Look at your sticker under
optional equipment.
George
> Do Californian ’99 owners have anything to add? Correction?
> —
> "Akira"
> ’96 Chaste A/T http://www.eunos.com/keith/stripes/akira.html
> "Open the door. Open the top. Open the mind."
> —from ’99 Roadster sales brochure (Japan)
–
"Fatboy"
99 Classic Red Pep
92 Emerald Explorer Sport
The loss of the 2 hp is due in part to the CA emissions that are on the car.
Check out http://www.edmonds.com and go into the Miata section. The CA emissions
option is listed for a number of states, and costs you an extra $150 to boot!
Regards,
Richard Dekker, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, MCofA #41997
Founder & President, Wild Rose Chapter – MCofA
1990 MX-5 Miata – Bell Stage III+ – "Turbos Blow"
1973 RX-3 – Rally Port 13B – "Pistons Suck"
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George Burke <grbu…@ma.ultranet.com> wrote:
>AkiraRdstr wrote:
>> >>Is it true that 99 miata has only 138 HP if a miata is sold in NJ?
>> >Why?
>> Is it possible that New Jersey is using the California emission standards, and
>> this small difference is due to that?
>Yes,it has the Ca. emission equipment. Look at your sticker under
>optional equipment.
>George
>> Do Californian ’99 owners have anything to add? Correction?
>> —
>> "Akira"
>> ’96 Chaste A/T http://www.eunos.com/keith/stripes/akira.html
>> "Open the door. Open the top. Open the mind."
>> —from ’99 Roadster sales brochure (Japan)
>–
> "Fatboy"
>99 Classic Red Pep
>92 Emerald Explorer Sport
I have only seen a few cars in northern NJ with the low emissions
option. The ’99 Miata brochure has a footnote on the "CA"
hp/torque ratings. The footnote says "Also applies to NY, MA and
CT."
A salesman told me that dealers near NY or CT might have a few low
emissions cars so they could sell to buyers from those states.
New Jersey residents are not restricted to buying low emissions
cars. ………..Rich
In article <6ij8ad$a0…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, pcernig…@monmouth.com
writes
<snip interesting first experiences – you have more patience than I
have!!>
>The center console is
>hard to open because the release latch is on the driver’s side and all the
>way towards the back.
This I do find incredible! The release latch is on the driver’s side on
the UK rhd edition as well, making access to the centre console far more
difficult than in the M1 since the lid now opens away from the driver.
I had assumed that this was simply part of the design that had not been
‘reflected’ from the lhd layout you have in the US, but from what you
say it would seem not. It would appear that Mazda got it wrong on BOTH
versions – unbelievable!!
One advantage – at least they have the tooling to get both parts right –
just swap the lhd and rhd parts over. Will we see a big exchange market
between US and UK M2 centre consoles being set up now? :-)
—
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he’s pissed.
Python Philosophers (replace ‘nospam’ with ‘kennedym’ when replying)
>>The center console is
>>hard to open because the release latch is on the driver’s side and all the
>>way towards the back.
>This I do find incredible! The release latch is on the driver’s side on
>the UK rhd edition as well, making access to the centre console far more
>difficult than in the M1 since the lid now opens away from the driver.
>I had assumed that this was simply part of the design that had not been
>’reflected’ from the lhd layout you have in the US, but from what you
>say it would seem not. It would appear that Mazda got it wrong on BOTH
>versions – unbelievable!!
It depends on perspective, I suppose.
In the M1, it seems that ALL markets received the console in which the console
lid hinge attaches on the right side of the lid—this is quite "normal" for
American cars as most consoles open "away" from the driver and have the latch
located on the driver’s (left) side of the console, or are hinged at the rear.
For the UK and Japan-market console, most American drivers might find it
awkward to reach over the open lid to access the interior of the console.
In the M2, the console is designed both ways—hinged on the right side OR the
left side, depending on market.
In the Japanese press, the fact that the lid is now hinged on the left in that
market has been a subject of praise. Is this not the case in the UK? Do most
consoles open away from the driver position?
—
"Akira"
’96 Chaste A/T http://www.eunos.com/keith/stripes/akira.html
"Open the door. Open the top. Open the mind."
—from ’99 Roadster sales brochure (Japan)
I think Mazda got it exactly right. If I were doing the engineering, I’d:
1) Hinge the door away from the driver, so the driver can see what’s in
the console when it’s open.
2) Put the latch toward the rear to keep you from accidently pulling it
open with a shirtsleeve while moving your arm around inside the cockpit.
Ask yourself, how often do you open the center console anyway? Not very
often, so who cares if it’s a little inconvenient to open? If you find
yourself opening it a lot, consider puting the popular items somewhere
else, like in the glove box or map pocket.
Just my two cents…
Doug
—
"A ship in a harbor is safe, but that’s not what ships are built for."
- Anon.
In article <1998050420303000.QAA07…@ladder03.news.aol.com>, AkiraRdstr
<akirard…@aol.com> writes
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>>>The center console is
>>>hard to open because the release latch is on the driver’s side and all the
>>>way towards the back.
>>This I do find incredible! The release latch is on the driver’s side on
>>the UK rhd edition as well, making access to the centre console far more
>>difficult than in the M1 since the lid now opens away from the driver.
>>I had assumed that this was simply part of the design that had not been
>>’reflected’ from the lhd layout you have in the US, but from what you
>>say it would seem not. It would appear that Mazda got it wrong on BOTH
>>versions – unbelievable!!
>It depends on perspective, I suppose.
>In the M1, it seems that ALL markets received the console in which the console
>lid hinge attaches on the right side of the lid—this is quite "normal" for
>American cars as most consoles open "away" from the driver and have the latch
>located on the driver’s (left) side of the console, or are hinged at the rear.
>For the UK and Japan-market console, most American drivers might find it
>awkward to reach over the open lid to access the interior of the console.
>In the M2, the console is designed both ways—hinged on the right side OR the
>left side, depending on market.
>In the Japanese press, the fact that the lid is now hinged on the left in that
>market has been a subject of praise. Is this not the case in the UK? Do most
>consoles open away from the driver position?
>–
Few Uk cars have center consoles which open like the Miata and those
which do are much larger and the driver sits higher up relative to the
console and has a lot more room to maneouvre. There is no point in
copying ‘other’ cars when the dimensions are completely different. What
works in a Toyota Previa isn’t necessarily going to work in a Miata, so
the ‘other’ cars comparison is a non starter.
What I do know is that I felt very awkward in the one M2 in which I
tried to open the centre console and access anything in it – the hinge
creaked and I felt that I was about to break the lid off just reaching
in for the trunk release! After that embarassment – the dealer was
sitting next to me and sort of gulped as he watched it strain – I
decided not to bother again. With the hinge on the driver’s side
(whether rhd or lhd) the lid opens against your body and your arm
naturally falls on the other side of the lid to access the contents.
With the lid opening away from the driver you have a limited space to
get your hand in to access anything.
To gain access to the centre console your elbow MUST be on the other
side of the console unless you twist your entire body so that your elbow
is behind the back of the seat, which would compromise driving position
and thus safety – Mazda obviously didn’t use "Jack" to check the
ergonomics of this, because it results in an elbow joint angle of less
than 20 degrees which is well into the red zone – with the high shoulder
angle as well it would probably trigger purple, but I would have to
model it to check. Even at red its not a safe level of strain while
driving just get a new cassette out to play!
Just another bug in the M2 that made me buy the last of the M1′s!
—
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he’s pissed.
Python Philosophers (replace ‘nospam’ with ‘kennedym’ when replying)
>>In the Japanese press, the fact that the lid is now hinged on the left in
that
>>market has been a subject of praise. Is this not the case in the UK? Do
most
>>consoles open away from the driver position?
>>–
Kennedy answered:
>Few Uk cars have center consoles which open like the Miata and those
>which do are much larger and the driver sits higher up relative to the
>console and has a lot more room to maneouvre. There is no point in
>copying ‘other’ cars when the dimensions are completely different. What
>works in a Toyota Previa isn’t necessarily going to work in a Miata, so
>the ‘other’ cars comparison is a non starter. >
I was only interested to learn if the center-console-hinge-on-the-driver’s-side
arrangement is common among other CARS (which the Previa is NOT) in the UK—as
this arrangement is definitely NOT the standard in US-market cars. I apologize
(though I see little reason to do so) that you became so defensive at my
question.
>What I do know is that I felt very awkward in the one M2 in which I
>tried to open the centre console and access anything in it…>
Not surprising since you are used to your previous car. Speaking of feeling
awkward, I think I had mentioned earlier in my last post:
>>In the M1, it seems that ALL markets received the console in which the
>console
>>lid hinge attaches on the right side of the lid—this is quite "normal" for
>>American cars as most consoles open "away" from the driver and have the
>latch
>>located on the driver’s (left) side of the console…. most American drivers
might find it
>>awkward to reach over the open lid to access the interior of the console. >
So, does anyone ELSE in the UK know—is this console lid arrangement typical
of most other UK cars, or is the Roadster an "anomaly" because you have to
reach over the open lid to access the console?
Why would the RHD Japan-market console have the hinge on the left, while the
RHD UK version is hinged on the right?
>…. in the one M2 in which I
>tried to open the centre console and access anything in it – the hinge
>creaked and I felt that I was about to break the lid off just reaching
>in for the trunk release! After that embarassment – the dealer was
>sitting next to me and sort of gulped as he watched it strain….
’99 owners: do any of you have a complaint with the quality of the center
console lid? Is Kennedy’s experience typical?
–
"Akira"
’96 Chaste A/T http://www.eunos.com/keith/stripes/akira.html
"Open the door. Open the top. Open the mind."
—from ’99 Roadster sales brochure (Japan)
> ’99 owners: do any of you have a complaint with the quality of the center
> console lid? Is Kennedy’s experience typical?
All I can say is that the lid lock mechanism on mine already had problems. I
had to bend the latch back into place to get the lid to stay closed. For some
reason the latch wouldnt catch and the door would not close. It is very
fragil. This happened on the third day after I bought the car. I think it is
a joke that it even has a keylock on it. I know I can probably rip the whole
freakin console out with one hand! I am certain that I can force the locked
lid open with one finger. I hardly call this console secure or of lasting
quality.
As far as the direction it opens; all they had to do is have the openening
latch on the same side as it is now except at the most forward position. This
would allow me to open it with my thumb very easily. I would simply and
easily open the latch and rotate my wrist towards the drivers side thus
opening the lid and exposing the console’s contents. I really dont care that
much about the storage it offers its just that I must go in there several
times a day to open the trunk not to mention gas on top of that. I dont think
its going to last long with this many cycles of use….Tony
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In article <DERoesch-0405981814180…@pool-207-205-218-106.pbgh.grid.net
>, Douglas Roesch <DERoe…@aol.com> writes
>I think Mazda got it exactly right. If I were doing the engineering, I’d:
>1) Hinge the door away from the driver, so the driver can see what’s in
>the console when it’s open.
Why, can’t you see over the lid when its open?
>2) Put the latch toward the rear to keep you from accidently pulling it
>open with a shirtsleeve while moving your arm around inside the cockpit.
Why would that be better than where it already is – underneath the lid.
>Ask yourself, how often do you open the center console anyway?
Every time I want to change the tape, so I guess that makes it around
every 45minutes of driving time, on average.
> Not very
>often, so who cares if it’s a little inconvenient to open?
Every 45 minutes is more frequently than I fill up with gas, so why did
they bother to make the filler cap so accessible when it could just have
been kept in the trunk – by your argument nobody would have had any
right to complain!
> If you find
>yourself opening it a lot, consider puting the popular items somewhere
>else, like in the glove box or map pocket.
Anywhere else more inconvenient to get to from the drivers seat that you
could have thought of? The trunk? Under the hood? Perhaps they would
be better just left at home so you could get to them when the car was in
the garage!
—
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he’s pissed.
Python Philosophers (replace ‘nospam’ with ‘kennedym’ when replying)
In article <1998050513264800.JAA04…@ladder01.news.aol.com>, AkiraRdstr
<akirard…@aol.com> writes
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>>>In the Japanese press, the fact that the lid is now hinged on the left in
>that
>>>market has been a subject of praise. Is this not the case in the UK? Do
>most
>>>consoles open away from the driver position?
>>>–
>Kennedy answered:
>>Few Uk cars have center consoles which open like the Miata and those
>>which do are much larger and the driver sits higher up relative to the
>>console and has a lot more room to maneouvre. There is no point in
>>copying ‘other’ cars when the dimensions are completely different. What
>>works in a Toyota Previa isn’t necessarily going to work in a Miata, so
>>the ‘other’ cars comparison is a non starter. >
>I was only interested to learn if the center-console-hinge-on-the-driver’s-side
>arrangement is common among other CARS (which the Previa is NOT) in the UK—as
>this arrangement is definitely NOT the standard in US-market cars. I apologize
>(though I see little reason to do so) that you became so defensive at my
>question.
I didn’t think I had become defensive at your question at all Akira, I
tried to answer both it and what I interpreted to be an underlying
misconception in it by deliberately choosing an extreme example. The
Miata is much smaller than even most UK cars, so it is not particularly
relevant to compare it to them. Also, few UK cars have centre consoles
which open at all, although clearly this would be inappropriate in a
convertible. Perhaps it should only really be compared to roadsters
(with a small ‘r’).
–
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he’s pissed.
Python Philosophers (replace ‘nospam’ with ‘kennedym’ when replying)
In article <+yyF1EAcu1T1E…@kennedym.demon.co.uk>, Dot
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<r…@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <DERoesch-0405981814180…@pool-207-205-218-106.pbgh.grid.net
>>, Douglas Roesch <DERoe…@aol.com> writes
>> If you find
>>yourself opening it a lot, consider puting the popular items somewhere
>>else, like in the glove box or map pocket.
>Anywhere else more inconvenient to get to from the drivers seat that you
>could have thought of? The trunk? Under the hood? Perhaps they would
>be better just left at home so you could get to them when the car was in
>the garage!
>–
>Kennedy
>Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
>A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he’s pissed.
>Python Philosophers (replace ‘nospam’ with ‘kennedym’ when replying)
Certainly. You might consider storing your tapes in your abundantly large
mouth. I’m sure it would hold your entire collection, though the hot, E.
coli-rich air might melt them. But at least your hand doesn’t have to
travel far to put your finger back in your nose.
Have a happy day. :P
- Doug
—
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- Anon.
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Douglas Roesch wrote:
> In article <+yyF1EAcu1T1E…@kennedym.demon.co.uk>, Dot
> <r…@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <DERoesch-0405981814180…@pool-207-205-218-106.pbgh.grid.net
> >>, Douglas Roesch <DERoe…@aol.com> writes
> >> If you find
> >>yourself opening it a lot, consider puting the popular items somewhere
> >>else, like in the glove box or map pocket.
> >Anywhere else more inconvenient to get to from the drivers seat that you
> >could have thought of? The trunk? Under the hood? Perhaps they would
> >be better just left at home so you could get to them when the car was in
> >the garage!
> Certainly. You might consider storing your tapes in your abundantly large
> mouth. I’m sure it would hold your entire collection, though the hot, E.
> coli-rich air might melt them. But at least your hand doesn’t have to
> travel far to put your finger back in your nose.
Lemme get this right. Kennedy brings up some well thought out design
issues with the center console (which I and other happen to agree with),
which you don’t happen to agree with. And you take this opportunity to
hurl rude, unwelcome insults at him? Asshole.
Eric Lucas
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AkiraRdstr wrote:
> >>In the Japanese press, the fact that the lid is now hinged on the
> left in
> that
> >>market has been a subject of praise. Is this not the case in the
> UK? Do
> most
> >>consoles open away from the driver position?
> >>–
> Kennedy answered:
> >Few Uk cars have center consoles which open like the Miata and those
> >which do are much larger and the driver sits higher up relative to
> the
> >console and has a lot more room to maneouvre. There is no point in
> >copying ‘other’ cars when the dimensions are completely different.
> What
> >works in a Toyota Previa isn’t necessarily going to work in a Miata,
> so
> >the ‘other’ cars comparison is a non starter. >
> I was only interested to learn if the
> center-console-hinge-on-the-driver’s-side
> arrangement is common among other CARS (which the Previa is NOT) in
> the UK—as
> this arrangement is definitely NOT the standard in US-market cars. I
> apologize
> (though I see little reason to do so) that you became so defensive at
> my
> question.
> >What I do know is that I felt very awkward in the one M2 in which I
> >tried to open the centre console and access anything in it…>
> Not surprising since you are used to your previous car. Speaking of
> feeling
> awkward, I think I had mentioned earlier in my last post:
> >>In the M1, it seems that ALL markets received the console in which
> the
> >console
> >>lid hinge attaches on the right side of the lid—this is quite
> "normal" for
> >>American cars as most consoles open "away" from the driver and have
> the
> >latch
> >>located on the driver’s (left) side of the console…. most American
> drivers
> might find it
> >>awkward to reach over the open lid to access the interior of the
> console. >
> So, does anyone ELSE in the UK know—is this console lid arrangement
> typical
> of most other UK cars, or is the Roadster an "anomaly" because you
> have to
> reach over the open lid to access the console?
> Why would the RHD Japan-market console have the hinge on the left,
> while the
> RHD UK version is hinged on the right?
> >…. in the one M2 in which I
> >tried to open the centre console and access anything in it – the
> hinge
> >creaked and I felt that I was about to break the lid off just
> reaching
> >in for the trunk release! After that embarassment – the dealer was
> >sitting next to me and sort of gulped as he watched it strain….
> ’99 owners: do any of you have a complaint with the quality of the
> center
> console lid? Is Kennedy’s experience typical?
> —
> "Akira"
> ’96 Chaste A/T http://www.eunos.com/keith/stripes/akira.html
> "Open the door. Open the top. Open the mind."
> —from ’99 Roadster sales brochure (Japan)
I have a UK ’99. I’ve have no problems with the center console. I like
it.
In article <354FD9BE.96734…@ix.netcom.com>, Eric Lucas
<ealu…@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Lemme get this right. Kennedy brings up some well thought out design
>issues with the center console (which I and other happen to agree with),
>which you don’t happen to agree with. And you take this opportunity to
>hurl rude, unwelcome insults at him? Asshole.
Oh, I certainly don’t mind his opinion, but the biting tone with which it
was presented, a sarcastic attack by my reading, was utterly unnecessary.
Simply responding in kind.
A little civility never hurt anybody.
By the way, I’m at 925 St. James Street in Pittsburgh, PA. Stop by and
call me an asshole to my face sometime, instead of from the safe comfort
of your bedroom.
Doug
—
"A ship in a harbor is safe, but that’s not what ships are built for."
- Anon.
Douglas Roesch wrote:
> Oh, I certainly don’t mind his opinion, but the biting tone with which it
> was presented, a sarcastic attack by my reading,
Then you better learn to read better.
> was utterly unnecessary.
> Simply responding in kind.
No, you weren’t. As a disinterested observer, I’d say you gave him
tenfold worse than he gave you. But you’re far too self-absorbed to see
that.
> A little civility never hurt anybody.
So he’s gotta be civil but you can do whatever the hell you want. Ever
heard of treating others the way you would want to be treated? Oh,
you’re too self-important for that.
> By the way, I’m at 925 St. James Street in Pittsburgh, PA. Stop by and
> call me an asshole to my face sometime, instead of from the safe comfort
> of your bedroom.
Oooohhhh! Big tough guy! I just calls ‘em as I sees ‘em. In person or
over the ‘Net. If it smells like a duck and talks like a duck…. If
you don’t like it, tough crap. But at least the implicit threat of
violence puts an upper limit of about 50 on your IQ and/or an upper
limit of 12 on your mental age–and that explains a lot about your
contributions to this thread.
Eric Lucas
DERoe…@aol.com (Douglas Roesch) wrote:
>Certainly. You might consider storing your tapes in your abundantly large
>mouth. I’m sure it would hold your entire collection, though the hot, E.
>coli-rich air might melt them. But at least your hand doesn’t have to
>travel far to put your finger back in your nose.
>Have a happy day. :P
>- Doug
Does your mother know that you are using the computer?
Leon
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In article <DERoesch-0505982317370…@pool-207-205-219-247.pbgh.grid.net
>, Douglas Roesch <DERoe…@aol.com> writes
>Certainly. You might consider storing your tapes in your abundantly large
>mouth. I’m sure it would hold your entire collection, though the hot, E.
>coli-rich air might melt them. But at least your hand doesn’t have to
>travel far to put your finger back in your nose.
>Have a happy day. :P
Whilst there is no minimum chronological age limit for posting to
r.a.m.m, there is certainly a minimum mental age which must be attained
before people here take much notice of you. Your previous posting amply
indicated your need for many additional years of maturation before you
develop the social skills which are normally acquired long before one is
old enough to drive a Miata.
—
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he’s pissed.
Python Philosophers (replace ‘nospam’ with ‘kennedym’ when replying)
Various people said:
> So he’s gotta be civil but you can do whatever the hell you want.
Which elements of my original post did you find offensive?
>I’d say you gave him
>tenfold worse than he gave you
I agree. Sorry, no regrets there at all.
>But at least the implicit threat of
>violence puts an upper limit of about 50 on your IQ and/or an upper
>limit of 12 on your mental age
If you say so. Assume anything you want.
>certainly a minimum mental age which must be attained
>before people here take much notice of you.
So if I’m below that age, why did you notice?
Pretty much the responses I expected.
Later.
Doug (That’s Nine-Two-Five Saint James Street. Pittsburgh, PA. USA.)
http://www.mindspring.com/~roesch/ <- ‘case you wanna put a face on it.
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In article <35589c8f.3462…@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
dommelen@delete_spam.SPAMeng.fsu.edu (Leon van Dommelen) wrote:
>Does your mother know that you are using the computer?
>Leon
Yeah.
—
"A ship in a harbor is safe, but that’s not what ships are built for."
- Anon.
>Does your mother know that you are using the computer?
Good for you, Leon!
Randy
99 Black & tan