Well, folks –
She’s up on jacks right now with the ugly brown stuff draining out of
the gearbox right now – I’m waiting for her to cool down a bit so I
don’t melt the vinyl hose I’m going to use to pour the MTL into.
While poking around, I noticed that the front shocks have etched/stamped
into them:
MAZDA
SHOWA
911107
…right above the part number label.
Is there any chance that these are dealer replacements, or am I looking
at the 70,000 mile old originals? Not that I mind replacing them – I
was going to soon anyway – but, sheesh!
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"Michiko"
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<1d7a83e.1g9zs98113qc…@1cust241.tnt4.long-beach.ca.da.uu.net>,
owenstr…@earthlink.net (Owen Strawn) wrote:
>Is there any chance that these are dealer replacements, or am I looking
>at the 70,000 mile old originals? Not that I mind replacing them – I
>was going to soon anyway – but, sheesh!
Not a chance. They’re original, I’ll betcha anything. Miatas don’t feel
gross with worn out shocks, in fact they ride pretty well…but they
bottom way too easily. Slap some HPs (or better) under there and you’ll be
amazed at what you’ve been missing. Even my wife–who first said "Damn,
the new shocks ride hard"–now appreciates the extra control. They take a
few hundred miles to break in and lose some initial harshness.
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owenstr…@earthlink.net (Owen Strawn) writes:
>While poking around, I noticed that the front shocks have
>etched/stamped into them:
>MAZDA
>SHOWA
>911107
>…
>’92 Classic Red
911107 looks suspiciously like a build date, don’t you think?
Lanny Chambers wrote:
> In article
> <1d7a83e.1g9zs98113qc…@1cust241.tnt4.long-beach.ca.da.uu.net>,
> owenstr…@earthlink.net (Owen Strawn) wrote:
> >Is there any chance that these are dealer replacements, or am I looking
> >at the 70,000 mile old originals? Not that I mind replacing them – I
> >was going to soon anyway – but, sheesh!
> Not a chance. They’re original, I’ll betcha anything. Miatas don’t feel
> gross with worn out shocks, in fact they ride pretty well…but they
> bottom way too easily.
I have over 170,000 miles on my 91 Miata and still have original shocks.
Maybe I am wierd, but they feel fine to me!
> 170,000 miles… original shocks.
As Eric Witherspoon will soon tell you <g>… you do not have shocks.
You have metal cylinders around a steel rod. Even $40 replacement
Tokicos from Pep Boys will make a world of difference.
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Mark Cutler <cut…@neworld.net> writes:
> I have over 170,000 miles on my 91 Miata and still have original
>shocks. Maybe I am wierd, but they feel fine to me!
I hope these original shocks are on the floor in the garage…
"Weird" isn’t the word that comes to mind…
OK, so I replace my worn out stockers with Tokico HPs. Are the stock
springs still OK, or are they overdamped by the HPs? How about when I
add Flyin’ Miata sway bars and 205/50-15 Yoko A-509s? (I hope to find
wheels that will weigh no more than 1# more than the stock ones, but the
tires will be heavier)
Am I planning a seriously "unbalanced" suspension if I don’t get stiffer
springs?
Lanny Chambers <la…@derived.com> wrote:
> Not a chance. They’re original, I’ll betcha anything. Miatas don’t feel
> gross with worn out shocks, in fact they ride pretty well…but they
> bottom way too easily. Slap some HPs (or better) under there and you’ll be
> amazed at what you’ve been missing. Even my wife–who first said "Damn,
> the new shocks ride hard"–now appreciates the extra control. They take a
> few hundred miles to break in and lose some initial harshness.
–
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"Michiko"
In article <1d7sazb.s5i35v378j…@1cust203.tnt1.long-beach.ca.da.uu.net>,
owenstr…@earthlink.net (Owen Strawn) wrote:
>OK, so I replace my worn out stockers with Tokico HPs. Are the stock
>springs still OK, or are they overdamped by the HPs? How about when I
>add Flyin’ Miata sway bars and 205/50-15 Yoko A-509s? (I hope to find
>wheels that will weigh no more than 1# more than the stock ones, but the
>tires will be heavier)
>Am I planning a seriously "unbalanced" suspension if I don’t get stiffer
>springs?
Nah. I’m running stock springs, HPs, and FM bars, with stock 1.8 alloys
and D60s. We just came back from a club weekend in Arkansas (fabulous
Miata roads!), and my main problem was not running over the Miata in front
of me in the corners. I have no interest in lowering springs, since my car
is a daily driver. The HPs work perfectly with stock springs. My FM bars
are set at stiff in front, middle in back, I did the Miq alignment, and
running one more psi in the rear tires brings everything together: the
slightest bit of steady-throttle oversteer, so the car will stay properly
yawed into the corner, easily brought to neutral with a small amount more
throttle–or to more oversteer with a lot more throttle. Perfect. NB: 509s
may respond a little differently than D60s; also, IMHO the alignment is
essential.
I also found out yesterday that the HPs really aren’t stiff enough over
115 mph, when you’re topping a roller coaster crest. Not scary if you’re
paying attention (at 115, one would hope so!), but a little discomforting.
I suppose a chin spoiler would help a bit, but I’d rather stay under 115
than lose access to half the planet’s driveways.
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I have HPs on a 92 that still has orig springs…. 66K…. I find it a great
combination.
Bob in Orlando
forgot to mention:
love the little stick to keep the hood up – not – and am amazed how they
managed to keep the price down by adding a $3.50 horn (beep-beep). I know these
are small problems, but they annoy me – just like the fake oil pressure gauge
(major stupidity on a sports car ). Have you ever looked underneath a Miata? I
was not impressed by what I saw. looked a little like a go-kart.
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Todd S. Elliott wrote:
> Yo.
> I finally test-drove the ’99 Miata today. It was an automatic model.
> (Please forgive me for the blasphemy, as I am not well skilled in manual
> transmission systems.)
> Three negative observations:
> It didn’t have the ‘ooomph’ as I tried to zip it on the highway. I guess it
> is in keeping with its smallish engine and the fact that manual
> transmission was used.
> The ride was a little bit bouncier than I expected. With the improved
> suspension, I thought the ride would be smoother.
> Last, and a major nit, IMHO, is the size of its driver’s cabin. I felt that
> I was somewhat cramped as I drove around. I don’t mind taking the Miata for
> a spin, but I would have to seriously reconsider if I have to drive 100+
> miles in cramped quarters in a single sitting.
> Positives:
> The car’s new style is very nice and sexy.
> I like the fact that a real rear window is now used, and the top will fold
> down in one step. No zipper or plastic nonsense.
> What are other people’s experiences in driving the ’99 Miata?
> -Todd Elliott
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Dietmar Kennel <ken…@uthscsa.edu> wrote:
>love the little stick to keep the hood up – not – and am amazed how they
>managed to keep the price down by adding a $3.50 horn (beep-beep). I know these
>are small problems, but they annoy me – just like the fake oil pressure gauge
>(major stupidity on a sports car ).
Note that this is clearly a quite expensive part; unlike a low
cost honest idiot light. With this brilliant idea, they are
aggrevating both the people who want a real oil gauge as well
as the people who really do not want to spend money for them.
Only Mazda would perpetuate such an idiocy into a completely
revised model year.
Did you notice if there is still a fake lighter plug, saving
Mazda $2 on a $25,000 car? Did you notice whether they are
still saving $0.10 on leaving out the fuse puller?
> Have you ever looked underneath a Miata? I
>was not impressed by what I saw. looked a little like a go-kart.
It is a well designed, improved, double wishbone suspension
front rear. I do not think you can complain about that.
>Todd S. Elliott wrote:
>> I like the fact that a real rear window is now used, and the top will fold
>> down in one step. No zipper or plastic nonsense.
It is time that people start crashing 1999s. The new top and
steering wheels will probably be popular items for Mazmart.
Since you were not buying it, you did not consider crashing
it during your test drive?
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Leon van Dommelen wrote:
> Dietmar Kennel <ken…@uthscsa.edu> wrote:
>> > Have you ever looked underneath a Miata? I
> >was not impressed by what I saw. looked a little like a go-kart.
> It is a well designed, improved, double wishbone suspension
> front rear. I do not think you can complain about that.
Better not look under that Camaro convertable Dietmar, you may just find
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>>> > Have you ever looked underneath a Miata? I
>> >was not impressed by what I saw. looked a little like a go-kart.
>> It is a well designed, improved, double wishbone suspension
>> front rear. I do not think you can complain about that.
>Better not look under that Camaro convertable Dietmar, you may just find
>a holdover from the 60′s – a live rear axle.
..and rust.. LOTS of rust! The rear diff, the suspension arms, the
frame, the exhaust. All covered in rust on 10-30 mile cars sitting at
the dealership lots. Rusting away on a brand new car. That’s the
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> …and rust… lots of rust!
Hey! Credit where credit is do, my friend! Remember, _I_ was the one who
noticed the chunks of rusting metal on those Camaros! ; )
Salesdrone:
"No, that’s normal for a car. It happens to all of ‘em." Uh, sure guy.
Guys, what Myk and I saw was beyond surface rust. The metal was
beginning to corrode. What a joke.
My friends ’95 Firebird has a _serious_ rust problem, but you could
never tell the severity of it unless you get under the plastic splash
panels. What a mess. Paint chipped off, pieces of rust flaking away
(mainly in my eyes and ears). And this is a well maintaned garage-kept
car. Ah, GM.
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jaso…@webtv.net (Jason 00) wrote:
>Rexven wrote:
>> …and rust… lots of rust!
>Hey! Credit where credit is do, my friend! Remember, _I_ was the one who
>noticed the chunks of rusting metal on those Camaros! ; )
Aye, you were the one slithering around on the ground first.. but
egads that was a lot of rust for a new car! Rear diff, suspension
arms (covered in rust!), exhaust system (hope they love the warranties
on those things), even the frame rails were rusting on 40 mile and
less cars. (went down the line.. there wasn’t a decent one among
them).
>Salesdrone:
>"No, that’s normal for a car. It happens to all of ‘em." Uh, sure guy.
Don’t you remember? "See, the cars just haven’t been driven enough to
build up a level of protective road grime yet. When you buy the car
the rust will go away!" I swear I bit my tongue trying not to laugh to
hard.
>Guys, what Myk and I saw was beyond surface rust. The metal was
>beginning to corrode. What a joke.
>My friends ’95 Firebird has a _serious_ rust problem, but you could
>never tell the severity of it unless you get under the plastic splash
>panels. What a mess. Paint chipped off, pieces of rust flaking away
>(mainly in my eyes and ears). And this is a well maintaned garage-kept
>car. Ah, GM.
(sigh) guess we know how they can underprice the Mustang by $6k..
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I know, that was a major shocj when I saw that axle, but hey the car is
cheap. It will cost me more than $3000 less than a Miata and I can sit in
it. I definitely wanted a convertible, there is nothing else in this price
segment so I have to put up with some compromising.
I waited ca. 6 months for the 99 Miata, the glass window, no pop-up lights
and a better seating position. I was so hot to buy one, that I really
downplayed the space problem, but then nobody could get me leather with ABS.
That gave me more time to think….
We decided we might get one in 1-2 years for my wife, I’ll be able to take
it for a few spins around the block…
BTW all the 98 Camaros here in South TX that I have seen had no rust,
doesn’t seem to be a big issue here with the climate. My 93 Jeep GC had
quite a bit of it when I bought it (12mls), but it has not progressed at all
in 5 years. Ever since I moved here I don’t worry about rust anymore.
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> Leon van Dommelen wrote:
> > Dietmar Kennel <ken…@uthscsa.edu> wrote:
> >> > Have you ever looked underneath a Miata? I
> > >was not impressed by what I saw. looked a little like a go-kart.
> > It is a well designed, improved, double wishbone suspension
> > front rear. I do not think you can complain about that.
> Better not look under that Camaro convertable Dietmar, you may just find
> a holdover from the 60′s – a live rear axle.
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Leon van Dommelen wrote:
> Dietmar Kennel <ken…@uthscsa.edu> wrote:
> >love the little stick to keep the hood up – not – and am amazed how they
> >managed to keep the price down by adding a $3.50 horn (beep-beep). I know these
> >are small problems, but they annoy me – just like the fake oil pressure gauge
> >(major stupidity on a sports car ).
> Note that this is clearly a quite expensive part; unlike a low
> cost honest idiot light. With this brilliant idea, they are
> aggrevating both the people who want a real oil gauge as well
> as the people who really do not want to spend money for them.
> Only Mazda would perpetuate such an idiocy into a completely
> revised model year.
> Did you notice if there is still a fake lighter plug, saving
> Mazda $2 on a $25,000 car? Did you notice whether they are
> still saving $0.10 on leaving out the fuse puller?
> > Have you ever looked underneath a Miata? I
> >was not impressed by what I saw. looked a little like a go-kart.
> It is a well designed, improved, double wishbone suspension
> front rear. I do not think you can complain about that.
It is well designed, I was just surprised how small the suspension components were.
Diameter of suspension arms, etc…. Looked a little bit like the miniature model of
the real car.
Take it from the source – I’m just disappointed I can’t have one without major
orthopedic surgery.
One other reason was I was a little concerned with all these lifted SUV and trucks
around here.
Dietmar Kennel <ken…@uthscsa.edu> wrote:
>BTW all the 98 Camaros here in South TX that I have seen had no rust,
>doesn’t seem to be a big issue here with the climate. My 93 Jeep GC had
>quite a bit of it when I bought it (12mls), but it has not progressed at all
>in 5 years. Ever since I moved here I don’t worry about rust anymore.
Maybe it’s the coastal climate that the ’98′s here are rusting like
mad. Odd thing is I have a ’93 Grand Cherokee that I flogged to hell
and back. Even had it up to the door handles in rivers, up to the
lower body cladding off of saltwater beaches, fording through anything
I can find.. and not one bit of rust on the truck.
http://www.mindspring.com/~vdragon/jeepcamp.html
will give you an idea of what I’ve done to/with this thing.
My
Miata is also rust-free (and I’ve been under enough tinkering to have
seen any). I still think it odd that for $20-28k you can get a car
that is rusting (and I mean RUSTING, not surface rust) literally on
the showroom floor. (sigh) Btw, I was going to buy a ’95 Z28
Convertible. Guy backed out at the last minute and refinanced it.
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In article <35441C8C.41F4E…@uthscsa.edu>, pediatricdent…@usa.net wrote:
>> > Have you ever looked underneath a Miata? I
>> >was not impressed by what I saw. looked a little like a go-kart.
>> It is a well designed, improved, double wishbone suspension
>> front rear. I do not think you can complain about that.
>It is well designed, I was just surprised how small the suspension
components were.
>Diameter of suspension arms, etc…. Looked a little bit like the
miniature model of
>the real car.
When a car doesn’t weigh two tons, it doesn’t need massive suspension
bits. Plus, low unsprung weight is the name of the game in real sports
cars–unless you *like* axle tramp and sidehopping in bumpy corners, in
which case you’d hate the Miata. :-)
Miatas have no problems with bending suspension components, not even in
racing use. If you hit a curb hard enough, yes, but the wheels will break
first.
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Dietmar Kennel <ken…@uthscsa.edu> wrote:
>It is well designed, I was just surprised how small the suspension components were.
>Diameter of suspension arms, etc…. Looked a little bit like the miniature model of
>the real car.
Hehe, the Miata’s parts are beefier looking than those of my ’88
MR2SC.. I swear the first time I saw the car on a lift I was asking
where the actual suspension was! Never had a problem with it and it
ran like a top even under racing conditions. The lighter weight of the
car means it doesn’t have to support as much or work against as much
in driving conditions (weight transfer, etc) so why add more weight?
Have you ever seen the suspension from a Formula 1 car? It can run to
800+hp, hold 3+G’s in corners and accelerate and decelerate at nearly
as high a margin! (they say simply taking your foot of the gas in an
F1 car at speed is the equivalent of hitting ABS in a modern Porsche
911TT due to the extreme aerodynamics of the car! THEN you get on the
brakes!!!) I swear an F-1 car looks like a couple of small
carbon-fiber toothpicks with flat slats to direct airflow and provide
some rigidity.
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>(they say simply taking your foot of the gas in an
>F1 car at speed is the equivalent of hitting ABS in a modern Porsche
>911TT due to the extreme aerodynamics of the car! THEN you get on the
>brakes!!!)
A lot of it is engine braking from the very high rpm they run at.
I read a story in the Electronic Telegraph of just such a test
drive, where on the first lap the guy slowed down so much when
he lifted off the gas to put on the brakes that he had to get
back on the gas just to reach the corner. No numbers were given
but a guess of 1 g engine+drag braking is probably not far off.
I find it impossible to imagine having 4 g of braking available.
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j…@ibms48.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) wrote:
>nolamersvdra…@mindspring.com writes:
>>(they say simply taking your foot of the gas in an
>>F1 car at speed is the equivalent of hitting ABS in a modern Porsche
>>911TT due to the extreme aerodynamics of the car! THEN you get on the
>>brakes!!!)
> A lot of it is engine braking from the very high rpm they run at.
Considering their compression ratios (not sure but 10-12:1 sounds
right for some of them) and the 14,000-18,000rpm rev range (Ferrari
had one limited to 18,650rpm last year! 20k can’t be far off) I’m
surprised they don’t nearly lock the rear up when they chop the
throttle.
> I read a story in the Electronic Telegraph of just such a test
> drive, where on the first lap the guy slowed down so much when
> he lifted off the gas to put on the brakes that he had to get
> back on the gas just to reach the corner. No numbers were given
> but a guess of 1 g engine+drag braking is probably not far off.
Different articles, different magazines but they have come across the
same situation. One of my favorite articles was on an IMSA car that a
gent was running where he completely forgot about a corner and ‘by the
sheer ability of the car to do what it does best I cranked the wheel
and prayed.. the car made the turn without even breaking a sweat!"
Another was on an F-1 car running the track with an editor. He wrote
that he took 5 medium speed laps in the car, got out, went home and
spent the next three days trying to explain the myriad of bruises he
had over his shoulders from the belts. "Imagine hitting a brick wall
at 180mph.. then slowing down from there!"
> I find it impossible to imagine having 4 g of braking available.
I would find it even more fun to experiance it! Can you imagine being
able to take corners as fast as you can turn the wheels? Have you ever
watched some of the switchbacks on the F-1 circuits? I could almost
swear that they pre-taped the footage and sped it up in some places!
F-1 and WSC/IMSA drivers are considered some of the best atheletes in
the world suprassing even football players. It’s not unusual to lose
as much as 15lbs of bodyweight in a single F1 race! Endurance racing
in the heat can take off even more! Who the heck needs Jenny Craig!
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>j…@ibms48.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) wrote:
>> I find it impossible to imagine having 4 g of braking available.
>I would find it even more fun to experiance it! Can you imagine being
>able to take corners as fast as you can turn the wheels? Have you ever
>watched some of the switchbacks on the F-1 circuits? I could almost
>swear that they pre-taped the footage and sped it up in some places!
Have you ever been to an F1 race? I thought they were going more than
fast enough – on the parade lap! The actual race was pretty
unbelievable speeds. It looks almost pedestrian on TV by comparison.
If you ever get the chance – take a portable TV along as well. You get
much better coverage on TV than you could hope to get at the race – it
can be frustrating when drivers don’t reappear on the next lap and you
have to watch a video later to find out that they came off on the other
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Dot <r…@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Have you ever been to an F1 race? I thought they were going more than
>fast enough – on the parade lap! The actual race was pretty
>unbelievable speeds. It looks almost pedestrian on TV by comparison.
Haven’t been to an F1 race but have been to Daytona & Sebrings 24 hour
I swear the 911 GT1′s sound like they are snickering 
races where those nice little WSC/Can Am’s come blazing into the
corners with their discs glowing and 4′ flames coming out of the
wastegates!
when they are hard on the brakes and the wastegates are chittering
away
>If you ever get the chance – take a portable TV along as well. You get
>much better coverage on TV than you could hope to get at the race – it
>can be frustrating when drivers don’t reappear on the next lap and you
>have to watch a video later to find out that they came off on the other
>side of the lap.
Aye, I’m used to that with the above two tracks.. "Funny, that car
should have come around by now.." a few minutes later you see the
tow-rig in the paddocs with a mangled mass that has mostly the same
color scheme.
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xrampxx wrote:
> I want to trade my miata off this summer and I was looking at the book
>value of it. I was wondering if anyone could explain to me why there is no
>listing for a 94 M edition? 95′s and later all have a separate listing for
>the M, which is valued around $2000 to 2500 more. I am really bothered by
>this. I paid top dollar for the car and it looks like I got taken.
Check out the Kelley Blue Book Site at http://www.kbb.com – Kelley recognizes
the ’94 M-Edition.
Perhaps you’ve been looking in the wrong places…I too have a 94 M-edition
and book the car every so often (I’m a business manager for an auto dealer).
If you need any help I’ll be glad to book the vehicle for you and fax you the
results…or just drop by a dealer and ask him to book the car
wholesale/retail value.
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> I want to trade my miata off this summer and I was looking at the book
>value of it. I was wondering if anyone could explain to me why there is no
>listing for a 94 M edition? 95′s and later all have a separate listing for
>the M, which is valued around $2000 to 2500 more. I am really bothered by
>this. I paid top dollar for the car and it looks like I got taken.
>In article <6gm9f9$on…@news.megsinet.net>, xram…@aeroinc.net says…
>> I want to trade my miata off this summer and I was looking at the book
>>value of it. I was wondering if anyone could explain to me why there is no
>>listing for a 94 M edition? 95′s and later all have a separate listing for
>>the M, which is valued around $2000 to 2500 more. I am really bothered by
>>this. I paid top dollar for the car and it looks like I got taken.
Books, schmooks. ;-) The books are general guides; they will vary from
publisher to publisher.
Checked the April 1998 edition of NADA, Southeastern Edition, showing no
separate listing for an M-package on a ’94 Miata. But it does appear in the
1995 model as a $2225 premium, and in following years.
Keep in mind that, as a car gets older, the book adds less value for options
and packages.
—
"Akira"
’96 Chaste A/T http://www.eunos.com/keith/stripes/akira.html
"Open the door. Open the top. Open the mind."
—from ’99 Roadster sales brochure (Japan)