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MX5 Vs CRX

Summer is coming soon and with the good weather spells we have had recently,
i dare say we are in for a scorching summer !

With this in mind, i would really love to drive a convertible or at least,
something with it’s hood off ( some may argue CRX is not a true convertible)

Due to budget constraints (4.5K), i can only afford early examples of MX5
(90-92) or Honda CRX (92-94).

I am looking for a car which gives excellent road handling, and a responsive
drive.
On motorways, i do tend to accelerate quickly and overtake….but that’s
only if i am driving a car which i know can beat the one in front.
Enjoy doing the A&B roads on weekends with the sun and wind around me.

can any owners of these cars share their experiences of these cars ?
Also, are they easy to maintain ? I am concerned about water leaking…

Cheers

TriKmasTer
UK

Comments (24)




24 Responses to “MX5 Vs CRX”

  1. admin says:

    Are you sure that you are not meaning the Honda Del Sol? You say ‘some may
    argue that the crx is not a true convertible’, well it’s not, not even
    close! Now the Del Sol, is a ‘targa’ type of roof. Roof panel lifts out for
    near convertible openness. With mods I believe it can compare to a Miata in
    performance. I’ve also seen incredible transformation of the car!

    Dagger
    92BB&T

  2. admin says:

    I believe that fella was english.. I believe the english version of the del sol
    is the crx.. i could be wrong though..

    Chris D’Agnolo wrote:
    > Are you sure that you are not meaning the Honda Del Sol? You say ‘some may
    > argue that the crx is not a true convertible’, well it’s not, not even
    > close! Now the Del Sol, is a ‘targa’ type of roof. Roof panel lifts out for
    > near convertible openness. With mods I believe it can compare to a Miata in
    > performance. I’ve also seen incredible transformation of the car!

    > Dagger
    > 92BB&T


    ÐÏ à¡± á

  3. admin says:

    If we’re talking about the same car, the CRX is front-wheel-drive.  Trust
    me, it’s a COMPLETELY different type of experience.  RWD will provide you
    with the entertainment no FWD can.  In a Miata, you’ll be able to impress
    your friends by spinning doughnuts in their driveway.

    "TrIKmAsTeR" <maste…@tricks.com> wrote in message

    news:GDLwC0.4yB@bath.ac.uk…

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    > Summer is coming soon and with the good weather spells we have had
    recently,
    > i dare say we are in for a scorching summer !

    > With this in mind, i would really love to drive a convertible or at least,
    > something with it’s hood off ( some may argue CRX is not a true
    convertible)

    > Due to budget constraints (4.5K), i can only afford early examples of MX5
    > (90-92) or Honda CRX (92-94).

    > I am looking for a car which gives excellent road handling, and a
    responsive
    > drive.
    > On motorways, i do tend to accelerate quickly and overtake….but that’s
    > only if i am driving a car which i know can beat the one in front.
    > Enjoy doing the A&B roads on weekends with the sun and wind around me.

    > can any owners of these cars share their experiences of these cars ?
    > Also, are they easy to maintain ? I am concerned about water leaking…

    > Cheers

    > TriKmasTer
    > UK

  4. admin says:

    Like to clarify.
    THe 92 onwards CRX here in UK is also known as the Del Sol in the US.

    TrIKmAsTeR <maste…@tricks.com> wrote in message

    news:GDLwC0.4yB@bath.ac.uk…

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    > Summer is coming soon and with the good weather spells we have had
    recently,
    > i dare say we are in for a scorching summer !

    > With this in mind, i would really love to drive a convertible or at least,
    > something with it’s hood off ( some may argue CRX is not a true
    convertible)

    > Due to budget constraints (4.5K), i can only afford early examples of MX5
    > (90-92) or Honda CRX (92-94).

    > I am looking for a car which gives excellent road handling, and a
    responsive
    > drive.
    > On motorways, i do tend to accelerate quickly and overtake….but that’s
    > only if i am driving a car which i know can beat the one in front.
    > Enjoy doing the A&B roads on weekends with the sun and wind around me.

    > can any owners of these cars share their experiences of these cars ?
    > Also, are they easy to maintain ? I am concerned about water leaking…

    > Cheers

    > TriKmasTer
    > UK

  5. admin says:

    As posted above – RWD v. FWD will provide different experiences.  
    Drive a couple examples of both & decide.  Modifications (sway bars,
    chassis stiffners) can significantly change the handling of either car.
    I expect a VTEC CRX could be faily entertaining.

    Leaking should not be a problem.  I’ve ahd small leaks in carwashes &
    very heavy downpours.

    (A Targa-top CR is a delSol only in NA, AFAIK – as an MX5 is a Miata
    only in NA)

    - bill, & nike, ’97 RedL, somewhat mod’d….

  6. admin says:

    Keksz <ke…@starpower.net> wrote:
    >As posted above – RWD v. FWD will provide different experiences.  
    >Drive a couple examples of both & decide.  Modifications (sway bars,
    >chassis stiffners) can significantly change the handling of either car.
    >I expect a VTEC CRX could be faily entertaining.

    >Leaking should not be a problem.  I’ve ahd small leaks in carwashes &
    >very heavy downpours.

    Actually, the targa roof of the del sol has a reputation for leaking.

    >(A Targa-top CR is a delSol only in NA, AFAIK – as an MX5 is a Miata
    >only in NA)

    >- bill, & nike, ’97 RedL, somewhat mod’d….

    Leon

    Leon van Dommelen :)    Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .)
    REMOVE THE "z"s -> dommel…@zmiata.net    www.dommelen.net

                  "EXIT THE INTERSTATES"         (Jamie Jensen)

  7. admin says:

    that’s right yes, they’re known as the CRX here in Aus too, but that name
    isn’t used often, usually it’s POS

    UH 3.2

    "Scott L. Liechti" <slick…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:3B075A97.D0C821E@earthlink.net…

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    > I believe that fella was english.. I believe the english version of the
    del sol
    > is the crx.. i could be wrong though..

    > Chris D’Agnolo wrote:

    > > Are you sure that you are not meaning the Honda Del Sol? You say ‘some
    may
    > > argue that the crx is not a true convertible’, well it’s not, not even
    > > close! Now the Del Sol, is a ‘targa’ type of roof. Roof panel lifts out
    for
    > > near convertible openness. With mods I believe it can compare to a Miata
    in
    > > performance. I’ve also seen incredible transformation of the car!

    > > Dagger
    > > 92BB&T

    > —
    > ÐÏ à¡± á

  8. admin says:

    "Chris D’Agnolo" <cdagn…@ev1.net> wrote in message

    news:3b0751c5$1_1@newsa.ev1.net…
    : Are you sure that you are not meaning the Honda Del Sol? You say ‘some may
    : argue that the crx is not a true convertible’, well it’s not, not even
    : close! Now the Del Sol, is a ‘targa’ type of roof. Roof panel lifts out
    for
    : near convertible openness.

    I think you’re right about that.  Even with its sunroof, our CRX wasn’t
    remotely close to being a convertible.  The Del Sol, on the other hand, is a
    convertible impersonator.  But you can’t stop at a traffic light, reach back
    and pull the top up, as you can with a Miata.

    : With mods I believe it can compare to a Miata in
    : performance. I’ve also seen incredible transformation of the car!

    Its one big problem, IMHO, is its front-wheel-drive design, and there are no
    mods to get rid of that.  Steering feel and response is dramatically changed
    depending on whether you’re accelerating or decelerating, and drivability
    suffers greatly.  A CRX or Del Sol simply can’t compare to a car that has a
    50:50 weight balance, steers with one set of wheels, and is powered by the
    others.

    When Honda did set out to build a roadster intended to out-Miata the Miata,
    so to speak, they didn’t use any of their readily available
    front-wheel-drive technology.  The 2000S has its engine in front,
    transmission in the middle, and drive wheels in back, just like the Miata.
    Not like the CRX or Del Sol.

    Based on many years of owning and driving both FWD (starting with an Austin
    America in the ’70s) and RWD (starting with a TR3A in the ’60′s), the
    latter, to me, is clearly the winner in terms of overall balance, steering,
    and drivability.  No amount of modification to a CRX will give it those
    qualities that can only come from rear wheel drive.

        Jerry & Serrano

  9. admin says:

    Personal choice really. If you can get a CRX Del Sol VTi (1.6L DOHC VTEC)
    then thats 160bhp of screaming FWD power. Nice light car with good handling
    for a FWD car.

    The later MX5 (1.8L) is a better overall package being RWD with 131bhp but
    if you are going for the earlier one it will only have 114bhp.

    The Del Sol VTi is a much faster car and it’s got a B16A engine in it. If
    Honda had made it RWD like the S2000 then it would probably have been more
    highly praised.

    Andy MacRae, UK

  10. admin says:

    The Miata is far more fun to drive. I now own a Z06 Corvette and wouldn’t trade
    it for all the tea in China, but there are some days I miss the Miata.

    An added plus is the aftermarket for the Miata is huge. I have seen a Miata with
    a turbo charger turn in a 12.X time at the track. The guy only spent about $3500
    to get it to go that fast.

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    TrIKmAsTeR wrote:
    > Summer is coming soon and with the good weather spells we have had recently,
    > i dare say we are in for a scorching summer !

    > With this in mind, i would really love to drive a convertible or at least,
    > something with it’s hood off ( some may argue CRX is not a true convertible)

    > Due to budget constraints (4.5K), i can only afford early examples of MX5
    > (90-92) or Honda CRX (92-94).

    > I am looking for a car which gives excellent road handling, and a responsive
    > drive.
    > On motorways, i do tend to accelerate quickly and overtake….but that’s
    > only if i am driving a car which i know can beat the one in front.
    > Enjoy doing the A&B roads on weekends with the sun and wind around me.

    > can any owners of these cars share their experiences of these cars ?
    > Also, are they easy to maintain ? I am concerned about water leaking…

    > Cheers

    > TriKmasTer
    > UK

  11. admin says:

    In article <9e95ki$an…@neptunium.btinternet.com>,
     "Andy MacRae" <andydmac…@REMOVESPAMbtinternet.com> wrote:

    > Personal choice really. If you can get a CRX Del Sol VTi (1.6L DOHC VTEC)
    > then thats 160bhp of screaming FWD power. Nice light car with good handling
    > for a FWD car.

    I have a friend with a del sol (and a Jackson racing SC), and I wouldn’t
    say it’s a good handling car.  It’s better than a mini van or a truck,
    but not nearly in the same league as a maita.  Look at the weight
    distribution on the del sol, it’s like 60/40, which is about as bad as
    it gets before you get into trucks.  

    To me it feels like a civic in handling.  Which also handle pretty well,
    but aren’t in the same league as the miata.  

    Sheldon

  12. admin says:

    The after market for CRXs is huge too… but ends at stickers, dumb
    fibreglass and chrome echaust tips.

    UH 3.2

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    "LS6" <n…@spam.com> wrote in message news:3B081C16.C5446CFA@spam.com…
    > The Miata is far more fun to drive. I now own a Z06 Corvette and wouldn’t
    trade
    > it for all the tea in China, but there are some days I miss the Miata.

    > An added plus is the aftermarket for the Miata is huge. I have seen a
    Miata with
    > a turbo charger turn in a 12.X time at the track. The guy only spent about
    $3500
    > to get it to go that fast.

    > TrIKmAsTeR wrote:

    > > Summer is coming soon and with the good weather spells we have had
    recently,
    > > i dare say we are in for a scorching summer !

    > > With this in mind, i would really love to drive a convertible or at
    least,
    > > something with it’s hood off ( some may argue CRX is not a true
    convertible)

    > > Due to budget constraints (4.5K), i can only afford early examples of
    MX5
    > > (90-92) or Honda CRX (92-94).

    > > I am looking for a car which gives excellent road handling, and a
    responsive
    > > drive.
    > > On motorways, i do tend to accelerate quickly and overtake….but that’s
    > > only if i am driving a car which i know can beat the one in front.
    > > Enjoy doing the A&B roads on weekends with the sun and wind around me.

    > > can any owners of these cars share their experiences of these cars ?
    > > Also, are they easy to maintain ? I am concerned about water leaking…

    > > Cheers

    > > TriKmasTer
    > > UK

  13. admin says:

    Really????I can’t believe it, you need spell checker.

    97hb

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    "Überhack" wrote:

    > The after market for CRXs is huge too… but ends at stickers, dumb
    > fibreglass and chrome echaust tips.

    > UH 3.2

    > "LS6" <n…@spam.com> wrote in message news:3B081C16.C5446CFA@spam.com…
    > > The Miata is far more fun to drive. I now own a Z06 Corvette and wouldn’t
    > trade
    > > it for all the tea in China, but there are some days I miss the Miata.

    > > An added plus is the aftermarket for the Miata is huge. I have seen a
    > Miata with
    > > a turbo charger turn in a 12.X time at the track. The guy only spent about
    > $3500
    > > to get it to go that fast.

    > > TrIKmAsTeR wrote:

    > > > Summer is coming soon and with the good weather spells we have had
    > recently,
    > > > i dare say we are in for a scorching summer !

    > > > With this in mind, i would really love to drive a convertible or at
    > least,
    > > > something with it’s hood off ( some may argue CRX is not a true
    > convertible)

    > > > Due to budget constraints (4.5K), i can only afford early examples of
    > MX5
    > > > (90-92) or Honda CRX (92-94).

    > > > I am looking for a car which gives excellent road handling, and a
    > responsive
    > > > drive.
    > > > On motorways, i do tend to accelerate quickly and overtake….but that’s
    > > > only if i am driving a car which i know can beat the one in front.
    > > > Enjoy doing the A&B roads on weekends with the sun and wind around me.

    > > > can any owners of these cars share their experiences of these cars ?
    > > > Also, are they easy to maintain ? I am concerned about water leaking…

    > > > Cheers

    > > > TriKmasTer
    > > > UK

  14. admin says:

    ehhhhh, I don’t think so. They tuning potential for this car (as well as
    other Hondas) is huge. The B16A/B18C engines have some of the biggest
    aftermarket turbos/superchargers/cams etc etc.

    Top Fuel in Japan have a Civic SiR running 500bhp from a B18C with a Top
    Fuel Turbo/Intercooler. The CRX DelSol SiR has exactly the same engine as
    the Civic SiR. The Civic Type R is a tuned version of this engine (185bhp
    from a 1.6L N/A).

    Cheers
    Andy MacRae, UK

    "Überhack" <m…@mmm.orgasm> wrote in message

    news:CA3O6.1737$Ld4.74641@ozemail.com.au…

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    > The after market for CRXs is huge too… but ends at stickers, dumb
    > fibreglass and chrome echaust tips.

    > UH 3.2

  15. admin says:

    CTR has the ITR block with a short crank. The deck height is different
    between the B16a2/3 and the CTR.

    False statements will kill any project.


    Charles Tague  93 Honda Civic DX HB #17 CSP
    1.6L SOHC VTEC 13.56 @ 100 mph,1.908 60 ft.
    http://home.cinci.rr.com/mistab0ne/

    "Andy MacRae" <andydmac…@REMOVESPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message

    news:9eb1go$p5e$2@neptunium.btinternet.com…

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    > ehhhhh, I don’t think so. They tuning potential for this car (as well as
    > other Hondas) is huge. The B16A/B18C engines have some of the biggest
    > aftermarket turbos/superchargers/cams etc etc.

    > Top Fuel in Japan have a Civic SiR running 500bhp from a B18C with a Top
    > Fuel Turbo/Intercooler. The CRX DelSol SiR has exactly the same engine as
    > the Civic SiR. The Civic Type R is a tuned version of this engine (185bhp
    > from a 1.6L N/A).

    > Cheers
    > Andy MacRae, UK

    > "Überhack" <m…@mmm.orgasm> wrote in message
    > news:CA3O6.1737$Ld4.74641@ozemail.com.au…
    > > The after market for CRXs is huge too… but ends at stickers, dumb
    > > fibreglass and chrome echaust tips.

    > > UH 3.2

  16. admin says:

    I don’t own a Del Sol, I do on a first
    generation CRX circa 87. While vast
    improvements were made from gen one to
    gen two, the Del Sol seem to go
    backwards to me. It has more power than
    the first two generations, it’s also
    heavier. The CRX I have rolls quite a
    bit in turns. Which isn’t that bad when
    you get used to it. You can even use it
    to your advantage a little.
    Unlike the Miata, the CRX is pure under
    steer. There is no way you can get it to
    neutral like the Miata. Under steer
    means when tires loose traction the
    front of the car will lead out of the
    turn. Over steer (called loose in
    racing), the back end of the car will
    swing out, like dirt track sprint cars.
    The Miata’s not perfectly neutral. It
    seems to lean slightly towards under
    steer, IMHO. However, you can make the
    car over steer or under steer at will.
    OTOH, the CRX I own has it’s advantages.
    Mine will run 115 mph and still get
    32-35 mpg. It’s shift points (~5700 rpm)
    are the following MPH, 40 in first, 78
    in second. Third gear buries the needle
    past 120. However, it takes forever to
    get up to that speed. Beyond third gear,
    it doesn’t have the power to get to red
    line. If it did, it would be one fast
    car. At least 160 mph with the stock red
    line. Maybe 190 with a red line at 8600
    rpm. But getting there would still take
    a long time.
    The Miata will only run a little over a
    hundred in fourth. Fifth gear, I’ve had
    mine up to about 120.
    The Miata also has a nice feature of a
    fuel cut off at 7200 RPMs. The CRX
    doesn’t. I’ve scared myself once or
    twice when the tach hit almost 8000
    rpms.
    As far as modifications to the car, I’ll
    quote a good friend of mine:
    "There is nothing which can not be
    accomplished with enough time or money."
    I’ve seen one CRX which is mid engine
    rear wheel drive. I had considered doing
    this, I’d be in for at least $10000 just
    to do the frame modifications to handle
    the stress. If you’re going to invest
    that much money in this car, put in a
    1997-8 acura integra type R engine. 190
    factory hp, 8600 rpm red line. The cheap
    route, the CRX family tree has plenty of
    modifications for the SI versions from
    84-91 and more for the Del Sol all
    versions. Be aware, the transmissions
    for the HF, DX and SI are all geared
    completely different, but they are
    supposed to be interchangable.
    The Miata has an abundance of
    modifications as well. I’ve heard rumors
    of a V-8 drive train replacement. I
    never did any research on this. If it
    does exist, that opens a huge window for
    power increases.
    I’ve enjoyed both cars. At the moment,
    the CRX has a clutch problem which keeps
    me from driving it.
    In my opinion, the CRX drives better in
    the snow. The Miata is much more fun to
    drive.
    Comparing my 87 CRX HF to my 90 Miata is
    definitely apples to oranges. However
    the decision can be this easy. Economy
    or Indulgence. One more note about the
    Del Sol, since it is heavier than my CRX
    with the bigger engine, not only will it
    be slower, you’ll never see the 40 mpg I
    see. Gas isn’t exactly cheap here
    anymore. Petrol is more expensive where
    you are.

    I hope I was able to help and not
    confuse your decision more.
    I’m not going to quote your post. This
    one is long enough.


    "WARNING: Armed with a dangerous mind"

  17. admin says:

    OMG do you want to lighten up a little?

    UH 3.2

    "Andy MacRae" <andydmac…@REMOVESPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message

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    > ehhhhh, I don’t think so. They tuning potential for this car (as well as
    > other Hondas) is huge. The B16A/B18C engines have some of the biggest
    > aftermarket turbos/superchargers/cams etc etc.

    > Top Fuel in Japan have a Civic SiR running 500bhp from a B18C with a Top
    > Fuel Turbo/Intercooler. The CRX DelSol SiR has exactly the same engine as
    > the Civic SiR. The Civic Type R is a tuned version of this engine (185bhp
    > from a 1.6L N/A).

    > Cheers
    > Andy MacRae, UK

    > "Überhack" <m…@mmm.orgasm> wrote in message
    > news:CA3O6.1737$Ld4.74641@ozemail.com.au…
    > > The after market for CRXs is huge too… but ends at stickers, dumb
    > > fibreglass and chrome echaust tips.

    > > UH 3.2

  18. admin says:

    On Tue, 22 May 2001 00:31:34 GMT, Giles <Gile…@Yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>Top Fuel in Japan have a Civic SiR running 500bhp from a B18C with a Top
    >>Fuel Turbo/Intercooler. The CRX DelSol SiR has exactly the same engine as
    >>the Civic SiR. The Civic Type R is a tuned version of this engine (185bhp
    >>from a 1.6L N/A).

    >Wow that must have some serious torque steer with 500HP!

    Since it’s an SiR it’ll have equal length halfshafts so torque steer should
    be minimal.  The steering will be somewhat torque sensitive but then again
    they only want to go in a straight line anyway.:-)  From what I’ve seen of
    the import drag racing on Speedvision – mostly Civics – there *is* a
    problem with breaking driveshafts.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they’re paranoid doesn’t mean you’re not psychotic" – Who, me??

  19. admin says:

    Did not realise that you were "joking"

    Andy

    "Überhack" <m…@mmm.orgasm> wrote in message

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    > OMG do you want to lighten up a little?

    > UH 3.2

    > "Andy MacRae" <andydmac…@REMOVESPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
    > news:9eb1go$p5e$2@neptunium.btinternet.com…
    > > ehhhhh, I don’t think so. They tuning potential for this car (as well as
    > > other Hondas) is huge. The B16A/B18C engines have some of the biggest
    > > aftermarket turbos/superchargers/cams etc etc.

    > > Top Fuel in Japan have a Civic SiR running 500bhp from a B18C with a Top
    > > Fuel Turbo/Intercooler. The CRX DelSol SiR has exactly the same engine
    as
    > > the Civic SiR. The Civic Type R is a tuned version of this engine
    (185bhp
    > > from a 1.6L N/A).

    > > Cheers
    > > Andy MacRae, UK

    > > "Überhack" <m…@mmm.orgasm> wrote in message
    > > news:CA3O6.1737$Ld4.74641@ozemail.com.au…
    > > > The after market for CRXs is huge too… but ends at stickers, dumb
    > > > fibreglass and chrome echaust tips.

    > > > UH 3.2

  20. admin says:

    Obviously that was the extreme sides of tuning for the engine! :)
    The Civic in question used a B18C bottom end and B16A head with a list of
    mods as long as your arm. Carbon fibre bonnet and wings. 17inch wheels on
    the front and 15 inch wheels on the back to aid traction.

    But Spoon or Top Fuel do a variety of pretuned B16A engines which put out
    250bhp N/A.

    Of course Jackson Racing do their nice Supercharger for the Civic/CRX and
    MX5. Perfect addon for the MX5, takes it to 185bhp I think (215bhp for the
    Civic/CRX).

    Andy MacRae

    "Giles" <Gile…@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

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    > >>>Top Fuel in Japan have a Civic SiR running 500bhp from a B18C with a
    Top
    > >>>Fuel Turbo/Intercooler. The CRX DelSol SiR has exactly the same engine
    as
    > >>>the Civic SiR. The Civic Type R is a tuned version of this engine
    (185bhp
    > >>>from a 1.6L N/A).

    > >>Wow that must have some serious torque steer with 500HP!

    > >Since it’s an SiR it’ll have equal length halfshafts so torque steer
    should
    > >be minimal.  The steering will be somewhat torque sensitive but then
    again
    > >they only want to go in a straight line anyway.:-)  From what I’ve seen
    of
    > >the import drag racing on Speedvision – mostly Civics – there *is* a
    > >problem with breaking driveshafts.

    > Yes but the CRX wasn’t designed to handle 500HP from the factory. I’m
    > sure they’ve modified the frames and all but I can see why they’d
    > break axles. We still don’t get Speedvision here, and we probably
    > won’t for at least a year, maybe longer.

  21. admin says:

    How does 17 inch wheels on the front and 15s on the back aid traction?

    97hb

    Andy MacRae wrote:

     17inch wheels on

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    > the front and 15 inch wheels on the back to aid traction.

    > But Spoon or Top Fuel do a variety of pretuned B16A engines which put out
    > 250bhp N/A.

    > Of course Jackson Racing do their nice Supercharger for the Civic/CRX and
    > MX5. Perfect addon for the MX5, takes it to 185bhp I think (215bhp for the
    > Civic/CRX).

    > Andy MacRae

    > "Giles" <Gile…@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:j6okgtc2b1rtcamosv5kau5236dso7nnhl@4ax.com…
    > > >>>Top Fuel in Japan have a Civic SiR running 500bhp from a B18C with a
    > Top
    > > >>>Fuel Turbo/Intercooler. The CRX DelSol SiR has exactly the same engine
    > as
    > > >>>the Civic SiR. The Civic Type R is a tuned version of this engine
    > (185bhp
    > > >>>from a 1.6L N/A).

    > > >>Wow that must have some serious torque steer with 500HP!

    > > >Since it’s an SiR it’ll have equal length halfshafts so torque steer
    > should
    > > >be minimal.  The steering will be somewhat torque sensitive but then
    > again
    > > >they only want to go in a straight line anyway.:-)  From what I’ve seen
    > of
    > > >the import drag racing on Speedvision – mostly Civics – there *is* a
    > > >problem with breaking driveshafts.

    > > Yes but the CRX wasn’t designed to handle 500HP from the factory. I’m
    > > sure they’ve modified the frames and all but I can see why they’d
    > > break axles. We still don’t get Speedvision here, and we probably
    > > won’t for at least a year, maybe longer.

  22. admin says:

    Nice to see that was sorted

    UH 3.2

    "Andy MacRae" <andydmac…@REMOVESPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message

    news:9eeq1h$mgv$2@plutonium.btinternet.com…

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    > Did not realise that you were "joking"

    > Andy

    > "Überhack" <m…@mmm.orgasm> wrote in message
    > news:ogpO6.2236$Ld4.99963@ozemail.com.au…
    > > OMG do you want to lighten up a little?

    > > UH 3.2

    > > "Andy MacRae" <andydmac…@REMOVESPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
    > > news:9eb1go$p5e$2@neptunium.btinternet.com…
    > > > ehhhhh, I don’t think so. They tuning potential for this car (as well as
    > > > other Hondas) is huge. The B16A/B18C engines have some of the biggest
    > > > aftermarket turbos/superchargers/cams etc etc.

    > > > Top Fuel in Japan have a Civic SiR running 500bhp from a B18C with a Top
    > > > Fuel Turbo/Intercooler. The CRX DelSol SiR has exactly the same engine
    > as
    > > > the Civic SiR. The Civic Type R is a tuned version of this engine
    > (185bhp
    > > > from a 1.6L N/A).

    > > > Cheers
    > > > Andy MacRae, UK

    > > > "Überhack" <m…@mmm.orgasm> wrote in message
    > > > news:CA3O6.1737$Ld4.74641@ozemail.com.au…
    > > > > The after market for CRXs is huge too… but ends at stickers, dumb
    > > > > fibreglass and chrome echaust tips.

    > > > > UH 3.2

  23. admin says:

    "Andy MacRae" <andydmac…@REMOVESPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message

    news:9eb1go$p5e$2@neptunium.btinternet.com…

    > ehhhhh, I don’t think so. They tuning potential for this car (as well as
    > other Hondas) is huge. The B16A/B18C engines have some of the biggest
    > aftermarket turbos/superchargers/cams etc etc.

    > Top Fuel in Japan have a Civic SiR running 500bhp from a B18C with a Top
    > Fuel Turbo/Intercooler. The CRX DelSol SiR has exactly the same engine as
    > the Civic SiR. The Civic Type R is a tuned version of this engine (185bhp
    > from a 1.6L N/A).

    Yeah, and a FWD car with that much horsepower is a joke. It’s called "torque
    steer".

    > Cheers
    > Andy MacRae, UK

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    Jake
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  24. admin says:

    "tooloud10" <nospam.j…@home.com> wrote in message

    news:rFZO6.8237$e6.42812@news1.rdc1.tx.home.com…
    :
    : Yeah, and a FWD car with that much horsepower is a joke. It’s called
    "torque
    : steer".

    I’d go so far as to call ANY FWD car a joke.  But then, I’m prejudiced.

        Jerry & Serrano

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